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  1. 1
    undemented mind // July 8th, 2008 at 11:54 am

    You are using circular logic. Vegetable don’t scream when cut and don’t spew out fountains of blood, that’s the point, sir. That’s the reason we choose eating vegetables over animals.

    Allow me to expose your faulty reasoning. You do accept that murdering people for your sensory gratification cannot be acceptable. Suppose there was no law against murdering humans, would you classify all the activists demanding that murdering people be made unlawful as riders of high horses?

    Using your logic you surely can.

    Those living in such a society can point their fingers towards all the animals killing and eating other animals and ask if a big fish can eat a small fish, how can a stronger human killing a weaker human be wrong. They can point out that when a stronger animal kills a weaker animal, the weaker animal suffers, screams in pain and oozes fountains of bloods too and hence all arguments in favor of banning killing humans are nonsensical and all activists protesting against murder or cannibalism are fools who need to get off their high horses and fly..

    You get my point, Sir?

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    Saad Akhtar (Author) // July 8th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    My answer is like the thinker above….

    “If I ignore the commentor, would he/she go away… ? “

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    undemented mind // July 8th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    I don’t wish to engage you against your wishes, but certainly I had expected a better response to a comment from someone who is not a member of mindless cattle. But your disinclination to involve yourself in an intelligent argument suggests that you too may belong to the category you despise so much.

    A link for you that will prove to you that ‘riders of high horses’ are not so dumb as you would like to believe and are capable of more biting humor to make their point than a lame and overused ‘if vegetables could scream’ argument.

    http://www.bestcyrano.org/THOMASPAINE/?p=756

    “We are facing swarms of terrorists in the Animal Liberation Front, mobs of fanatical extremists at PETA, and hordes of Nazi-like, in-your-face vegans and vegetarians. Like deranged street prophets, they spout all kinds of nonsense about speciesism, the suffering of sentient beings, animal rights, compassion for livestock in factory farms, and other deluded ramblings.”

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    Saad Akhtar (Author) // July 8th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    @Undemented:

    You’re making my brain hurt :(

    I never said I’m a non member of the mindless cattle. Nor do I despise such cattle. I too am a mindless cattle.

    I recently had a thinking episode. A cockroach, in search of food was found wandering in my bathroom. My better half, not an avid lover of the insect kingdom promptly ordered me to dispatch it with a well aimed spray from the HIT can. Which I did, as I do most things told by the above mentioned person.

    The effects of Hit on a cockroach are engaging to watch. When it gets the whiff of the strangely perfumed pesticide, it’s first reaction is like a What-the-fuck kind of shrug. Something like what a wet dog does. In 10 seconds however the chemical hits the bloodstream and makes the cockroach run. It makes it run like no non-poisoned cockroach could run. It runs around and invariably after 10 seconds of running, it flips on it’s back and there’s much shaking and wriggling of it’s multiple feet. The poor bastard wriggles like this for maybe 5-10 minutes before dying. A painful end, we all agree. But I was back in the loo after 2 hours, and here’s the deal… The cockroach was still wriggling. By the next day it’s carcass had been carried away by our domesticated ants, who only eat dead animals.

    So what we have here is a pesticide that doesn’t kill immediately, but makes the cockroaches run around. That running around is important because if you take a instant killer pesticide and spray under hidden niches in bathrooms or kitchens, you’ll have heaps of dead roaches in a place where you cant clean the dead bodies. They’ll rot and attract un-domesticated ants and what not.

    So, the pesticide company created a poison which doesn’t kill them instantly, but makes them run around first. To get them out of their hiding places. This, of course can be marketed in ads and on the package. Which it is. “Kills cockroaches from hidden places etc”

    So we inflict, not only death, but a painful dreadful death on a cockroach just so we don’t have to sweep the dead bodies from hard to reach places. This is true for most rat poison. It doesn’t kill the rat immediately, just makes them go crazy with pain and thirst so they come crawling out and die in open places.

    So what I’m trying to say here is:
    People would unthinkingly kill and inflict much pain on lesser animals just because they were in the wrong place. Or rather, they invaded our personal space. We kill animals in the thousands. Personally, I feel nothing wrong with them…. If I’m invading their personal space, they feel free to attack me. I just don’t like lizards.

    If I’m justified in killing lizards just to get them off my bathroom walls, if I’m willing to kill cockroaches because they look ugly then I’m not justified by refusing to kill a goat and eat it’s tender (and I mean TENDER) flesh.
    Are you suggesting vegetarians don’t kill other animals? Is HIT a non vegetarian product? Vegetarians don’t put All Out or Good Knight in their rooms and kill mosquitoes? Obviously they do. But they judge me, as a meat eater, to be a murderer.

    The fact is, only ugly and disgusting animals are allowed to be killed. And coming back to the comic, If mosquitoes and cockroaches screamed and spewed out fountains of blood, they would still be killed. They’ll just be taken OUT and killed. Look at pigs. No one wants to see them being killed….. but hey…

    So! Umm… What were you saying ?

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    undemented mind // July 8th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    I’m not into killing of cockroaches. Yes, they are disgusting and I try to drive them away if they invade my personal space. I use my hawaii chappal to stomp over them only if they refuse to realize that I’m serious about driving them away from my personal space. As far mosquitoes are concerned, I don’t mind killing them, since if I don’t kill them, they will suck my blood. I agree that it is not really a fair exchange to take their lives for the minor crime of biting and sucking just a few micro-mililitres of my blood. But then I don’t have much of a choice, since they can’t help themselves and will keep violating my personal space and keep sucking my blood despite display of my displeasure at their activities.

    Now killing and eating cows or pigs or goat is a different thing. Cows and goats are useful creatures and provide us with dietary nourishments like milk. They are non-violent and don’t invade my personal space. If you haven’t ever talked to cattle-owing farmers, I suggest you should. They will regale you with stories about their cows and buffaloes – how they are capable of emotions like love, how they develop deep attachment to their masters and how they suffer when they are separated from their children. Basically, what I’m trying to say is that goats, cows or pigs occupy the same space that dogs or cats do. They are loving, loyal, slightly intelligent and can serve as good pets and certainly don’t deserve to be put in the same category as insects and pests.

    I’m not judging you as a murderer, but I hope that meat-eaters realize that if they have a right to kill animals for food, vegetarians do have a right to be angry at the suffering that animals undergo, that they have a right to protest against mankind’s barbarity towards the animal kingdom.

    Also, I hope that meat-eaters stop getting worked up over things like corruption, crime, terrorism or about anything that is wrong with our world. If you have a good reason to eat goats, palestinian terrorists too have a good reason to kill Israelis, poor people have a right to join naxalites and kill cops and rich zamindars, hungry people have a right to rob rich people of their wealth and so on…

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    Saad Akhtar (Author) // July 8th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    Hmm.. The comic is in the danger of becoming a forum. But interaction is good, so allow me to conclude (hopefully).

    This became the age old discussion of vegetarianism vs non vegetarianism. And there’s no answer to that. But see… You say that although meat eaters are NOT murderers, they should respect the right of vegetarians to protest against animal killing. Fair enough. Everyone has a right to protest, even against radiation. But the protests shouldnt just be against KILLING CUTE ANIMALS LIKE GOATS AND COWS, but against taking lives, right? But we cant be against taking lives because we’re taking lives constantly. Not just cockroaches and mosquitoes, but the plants, fungus, and all those wild animals whose habitats have been disrupted due to agriculture.

    So just to survive, humans have to kill. Meat eaters are just killing more directly. Why the hatred? I kill plants and eat them, I kill animals and eat them.

    Killing animals for sport or ritual sacrifice is wrong, for sure and I would protest against that too. But if you’re killing a deer for sport, AND EATING IT.. then how is it different from buying chicken from the market? You’re just eliminating the middle man. This is, of course, only if that particular deer (or whatever animal) is not endangered or nearing that.

    Now you’re comparing meat eaters as terrorists… Or ok, you’re not. You’re saying if meat eaters are justified in killing goats, terrorists are justified in killing palestinians…

    No they’re not. Because we, as a civilized society decided to put human life at a higher position than that of a goat. Just like, vegetarians decided to put Animal life at a higher position than that of a plant.

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    undemented mind // July 8th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    Allow me to dash your hopes..:)

    Now you are using the same overused argument of plants being ‘alive’. Yes, it has been scientifically proved that vegetation is not dead matter, but the argument used by meat-eaters is fundamentally wrong.

    Trees and plants are part of our ecosystem and I agree with you that we have no right to uproot and destroy our ecosystems for agriculture or industrialization.

    But eating vegetables or fruits in itself doesn’t amount to ‘murdering’ plant life. Take for example, an apple. When an apple falls from a tree on the ground, does it have any purpose other than to be consumed by an animal or a human? If it is not eaten, it will begin to rot in few days and become dead matter. Everything about an apple suggests it exists only for the purpose of being used as food. Technically, it may have life, but when uprooted from a tree its existence serves no useful purpose. An apple has no awareness, no consciousness, no ability to derive any pleasure, no ability to think, no ability to reproduce, no ability to communicate with other living entities, no ability to love or feel any emotions.. So how can you argue that eating an apple is like taking a life? A tree when uprooted from its environment disturbs the ecology to some extent, but an apple uprooted from a tree doesn’t damage our ecosystem in any way.

    Vegetarians don’t need to kill trees or destroy vegetation in order to survive, they just need to consume the fruit of the trees. A fruit of a tree or a vegetable growing on a plant is just like milk of an animals/humans, meant to be consumed.

    On the other hand, a cow is aware of its existence, is conscious, derives pleasure from eating and sex, has some ability to think, strong ability to feel emotions,has ability to communicate with other cows and to some extent with humans, has ability to reproduce and love its progeny, it suffers like humans, feels pains and so on.

    Your final argument that we have decided to put human life at a higher position than that of a goat is also flawed and based on an assumption that we have a right to make such a choice. Who gave us the choice? No one. We usurped the right for ourselves because we are more powerful and intelligent in the same manner rich and powerful people snatch the rights of poor, grab their lands to build dams or SEZs for themselves.

    There is no need to have any hierarchies of life and its possible for all organic life to exist in harmony. All hierarchies are man-made (and animal-made too).. When I used the terrorism/naxalism argument, it was not to suggest that meat-eaters are like terrorists, but to show the consequence of believing that we exist on a higher hierarchy. Since hierarchies exists only in our minds, can we stop terrorists from believing that they exist on a higher hierarchy than the people they intend to kill? Every person can create his own hierarchy in his mind and kill anyone he thinks is inferior to him.

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    raghav // July 8th, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    Your final argument that we have decided to put human life at a higher position than that of a goat is also flawed and based on an assumption that we have a right to make such a choice. Who gave us the choice?

    Well actually there was this Englishman, by the name Charles Darwin.

    And yes, I’m certain PETA can find better issues to protest about that vegetarianism. Natural order made man an omnivore, get over it. If you feel you can live life without touching meat or the vessels it was cooked in, jolly good for you, but don’t go all out against the rest of us, we’re just obeying natural instinct. And the non vegetarians, get back to your kabab and draw us another comic. Lets not make this a rant forum shall we?

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    Saad Akhtar (Author) // July 8th, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    Thank You Raghav.

    Kababs are nice… Umm…. So nice and tender and juicy. And Karim’s Burra Kababs are so nice I’m sure if the goat that went into making it was offered some, it wouldn’t refuse.

    I shall feel less guilty next time I feast on the flesh of an animal, if I knew it was already dead and about to rot like a fallen apple. Or maybe science would give us an animal that wants itself to be eaten. Or maybe we’ll have to wait till the end of the universe for that to happen.

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    undemented mind // July 8th, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    Darwin was just another dude, who got some crazy ideas in his head and created a theory around it. The scientific establishment latched on to his crazy beliefs coz they had no better explanation for origin of life on our planet.. :) (Don’t even dream of challenging me on this one..;))

    “If you feel you can live life without touching meat or the vessels it was cooked in, jolly good for you, but don’t go all out against the rest of us, we’re just obeying natural instinct”

    Well, generally I keep to myself and don’t go all out against meat-eaters, but someone accused me of riding a high horse. If anything has been proved from this discussion, it would be that it is meat-eaters who are the ones riding high horses believing themselves to superior to all other forms of life on earth.

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    Saad Akhtar (Author) // July 8th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    From wikipedia: Horse Meat

    “Horse meat is the culinary name for meat cut from a horse. It is slightly sweet, tender, low in fat, and high in protein.”

    High horse meat would be even more high in protein.

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    undemented mind // July 8th, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    Ive realized that riding high horses is more fun and have decided as a civilized high-horse rider to put non-vegetarians on a higher position than meat-eaters.

    Now only if the damned law of the land didn’t come in the way, I would have had greater fun killing meat-eaters :) )

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    undemented mind // July 8th, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    In the last comment, I meant vegetarians, not non-vegetarians. Kindly correct the error

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    NH // July 11th, 2008 at 3:27 am

    i think the comics on your website are absolutely awesome!

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    Saad Akhtar (Author) // July 11th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    @NH: Thank you. Hope you subscribed to the comic feed.

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    pri // September 27th, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    u r simply great saad

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    itssmi // October 15th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    Demented, Even the strictest vegetarian takes hundreds of lives before his/her stomach is filled for the day. When you cut a brinjal into pieces or put an Egg plant fruit in the oven, it suffers silently the death you put it to. It does not bleat nor it does bleed. But the suffering is definitely there. As long as eating is to survive, it does not matter whether you eat a pumpkin or a lamb. Indulgence is a different matter. Hunting for food is no sin but for pleasure it is a cardinal sin.And speakig of herbs that we all use I don’t think anyone uses dead herbs , we all like to have fresh herbs like dhaniya,pudina,kadipatta and lot of such stuff in our food.Nature has provided humans with teeths that can be used for eating meat as well as Vegetables.Unlike carnivorus and herbivorous animals that have distinct set of teeth.This explains a lot.

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    Amrit // October 22nd, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    I came to this page after already replying to your comment and surprisingly, the argument here is on a similar line.

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    Saad Akhtar (Author) // October 23rd, 2008 at 11:08 am

    @Amrit: There’s no end to this conclusion. Like all great conflicts, the ideal solution is – Do what you feel is right, but dont fight other people’s belief. Also dont shove your own down the throat of others. A little mocking, I guess should be fine :)

    Others: There was a similar discussion on Amrit’s blog – Selfishness

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    Deepak // October 25th, 2008 at 4:03 am

    Why am I still reading the comments ?
    Some work, I need.

    Suggestion : Please have any link to Non Creative Fiction here. (or do you already have it somewhere around here ?) There are some nice posts/comics there.

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    Saad Akhtar (Author) // October 25th, 2008 at 11:50 am

    @deepak: You mean you the whole comments? Damn, you sure have the luxury of free time :P

    About Non Creative Fiction… well, I don’t blog there anymore. Maybe will have a few comics from the topics on NCF. Wasn’t much there anyway… Did you recognize the toe-nail guy there? :)

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    Abhilash // November 24th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    Do I really want to post this reply or just eat the vegetarians?

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    vikram // March 7th, 2009 at 4:33 am

    saad,

    your cockroach story is hilarious.

    demented – stfu and gafnl (get a f*ing non-veg life)

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    R // January 10th, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    We are omnivores, everyone! We are supposed to eat meat. But I think vegetarians who think meat eaters have a double standard are right. Why should it just be animals? I have a proposition: India is overrun with human beings, we have too many. Some of them are starving and some of them are crooks. I say we replace the death penalty with free-4-all barbecues – it will take less time to implement, not cost as much and also there’ll be fewer hungry people. Those repulsed by this idea will know better than to breed. TAHDAH! I hear humans taste like pork. Yum.

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    Karan // January 12th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    you guys need to get a room. you could slice through the sexual chemistry in this forum with a butcher’s knife.

    and also mr author, you should add a note to your homepage like the ones that porn sites have “do you have a sense of humour? if yes click on proceed if not click on exit” and the exit click should take them back to orkut.

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    R // January 13th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    a butter knife would be more impressive.

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    roshan // August 20th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    Well, veg or non-veg, humans can’t survive without food. Keep thee vegetarians in a packed home with nothing but goats for a month, and the number of either of the animals (man or goats) will reduce.

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